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> Can you be a son (child) of God without receiving Christ as your > savior? Answer - no.
This is your answer but the Hebrew understanding of scriptures say otherwise. You did not complete the thought written about by John.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of Elohim, to those believing in His Name, Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the desire of flesh nor of the desire of man, but of Elohim.
Now notice it does not say whose name except that of Elohim. How is it that you continue to deny the name of YAHWEH? Rather than continue to tell you what you already know, that “god” is a mistranslation, I’ll speak to the Messianic understanding.
Elohim is a collective of the prophets, including Moses. To be the “children of Elohim” simply means that you are of that collective of knowledge, which you are not since you refuse to acknowledge that “god” is the name of Baal and the deity of Freemasonry.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from that time? Is it not I, YAHWEH? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me. Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Ěl, and there is none else.
YAHWEH on the other hand is Elohim of Elohim and there is NO OTHER.
Deu 10:17 “For YAHWEH your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.
My deity is YAHWEH and I have no other. The deity of the Messiah was YAHWEH and he called out to him and proclaimed his name that is lost in translation of the Greek. Elohim (Strong's H430) 1) (plural) a) rulers, judges b) divine ones c) angels d) gods
Here is the greatest translation flaw of the Scriptures crossing the lips of every English speaking man on Earth.
Exo 15:11 Who is like unto thee, O YHWH, among the EL? (KJV) Exo 15:11 Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods?
Gods? Has anybody recognize the KJV says there is only one deity? How come the world is able to recognize ONE deity and still have scriptures that speak of gods, not false gods but gods?
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Even the commandment speaks of other “gods”, not false gods. According to the scriptures, “God” is one and there is no other, period.
(KJV) Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
If there is “NO GOD” beside him, then every translation that says, “Gods”, not false gods, must be a mistranslation. The name of the Almighty and the Hebrew understanding restored reads:
Isa 45:5 ‘I am Yahweh, and there is none else – there is no Elohim besides Me. I gird you, though you have not known Me,
What about when we restore this understanding to the New Testament?
Mar 12:29 And Yehoshua answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one: Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Here we have a direct quote of Deuteronomy so that we can have no doubt exactly what is said in the Hebrew when it quotes Deutoronomy:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one: Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Yahweh is the ONE, the only and besides him there is no other. Christians MUST ignore this simply because it means that they are practicing a pagan religion. The do not desire truth, they desire to maintain their dogma.
Gen 32:30 for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen Elohim face to face, and my life is preserved.
In Genesis it’s recorded that Jacob wrestled all night with a man “face to face” with “God” in almost all versions. It was how IsraEL got its name. This presents a bit of a problem in the later text:
Exo 33:20 But He said, “You are unable to see My face, for no man does see Me and live.”
Now examine John. Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time;
Jacob saw somebody face to face and the KJV tells you it’s “God”… who did he see?
Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen Elohim. The only brought-forth Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He did declare.2 Footnotes: 1See 5:37, 6:46, 1 John 4:12. 2The pre-existent Son declared, and was the One who appeared to men.
If we recognize that no one sees the Father and lives, it must be the Son that wrestled with Jacob. This is why the name is IsraEL. Not because Jacob wrestled with YHWH because the Torah is very clear he would not have survived such an event. In this we see the truth of the statement:
Joh 8:58 Yehoshua said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
This is not a declaration that he is the Almighty; simply that he was pre-existent as one of the “Sons of Elohim”. I point this out to you because in this example, we clearly see that “Elohim” a plural word meaning “mighty one”, is mistranslated in most scriptures as “God”.
Next example.
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
We know that there is only one supreme deity named YHWH so how can he be “God of gods”?
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
If there is no other “God” how can it speak of plural gods and being God of Gods? The word God is a mistranslation! The Hebrew word Elohim applied reads:
Deu 10:17 For YHWH your Elohim is the mighty one of the elohim , and Sovereign of sovereign, a great El, mighty, and terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh bribes: Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am El, and there is none else.
So we see that there is more than one Elohim and that they have a sort of rank and structure where One is the Father and with him are his servants, messengers (known as Malak translated angels) and Sons. God is a word from the Germanic versions of scriptures that conveyed the idea of a deity from the time of the Gutenberg Bible and its roots are pagan, not Hebrew.
> Does becoming a son of God make you equal to Christ. >Answer again - > no. Christ is above all, he has been given a name that is above every > name in heaven and on earth.
Only by false prophets of BAAL such as yourself who are ignorant of the Torah. I’ve told you before that “God” is a recorded name of Baal.
>By faith in him we are ADOPTED as sons, > BECAUSE of Yeshua.
Don’t blame Yehoshua on your BAAL worship, he never said to worship him.
Joh 12:49 For I have NOT spoken of MYSELF; but the Father WHICH SENT ME, HE GAVE me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
> The promise of the Spirit comes from Yeshua. It is this Spirit by > which we receive *adoption* as sons into the family of God that is > *Yeshua's by birthright*. He is the only begotten Son of God, the Word > made flesh who was in the beginning with God and WAS God. None of us > are the Word made flesh. Only Yeshua is that, and only he has the > "glory as of the ONLY begotten Son of God, full of grace and truth".
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
Funny because my deity is all powerful and is not a man, he never changes. So while you continue in your dogma wondering why you have never actually manifested the signs of a true believer, it is because you have chosen to believe a faulty translation of scriptures that has everybody from Moses to You being a deity.
Exo 7:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh, and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
You are entitled to believe as you wish but at no point in scriptures was Moses ever made a deity to be worshiped by Israel, Pharaoh or anybody else for that matter. Clearly, “God” is a mistranslation.
Joh 10:34 Yahushua answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are Theos? Theos being the Greek word translated “God”.
We know that this is a quote of Psalm 82:6 and we know the Hebrew word was Elohim and so it naturally follows that what is “written” is based in the Hebrew scriptures for understanding.
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and all of you are children of the most High.
Yehoshua is ELOHIM, just like Moses or any other mighty one but that does not make him the Almighty.
Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness to Yahweh of hosts in the land of Mitsrayim. When they cry to Yahweh because of the oppressors, He sends them a Savior and an Elohim, and shall deliver them.
Moses was an Elohim to Israel and Aaron was his prophet.
Exo 4:16 “And he shall speak for you to the people. And it shall be that he shall be a mouth for you, and you shall be an elohim for him. Exo 7:1 And YAHWEH said unto Moses, See, I have made thee elohim to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Abraham was an Elohim and Adonai which in KJV could be translated LORD GOD.
Gen 23:5 And the sons of Ḥĕth answered Aḇraham, saying to him, 6 “Hear us, my master [adonai also translated LORD in KJV]: You are a Elohim [translated mighty in kjv but also GOD] prince among us. Bury your dead in the choicest of our burial places. None of us withholds from you his burial site, from burying your dead.”
Clearly Theos has been mistranslated to God instead of Elohim. I don’t see any Christians running around trying to prove we should worship Abraham and Moses and even Yehoshua said:
Mat 4:10 Then saith Yahushua unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship YHWH thy Elohim, and him only shalt thou serve.
Again he says, “it is written” so we know it’s based on the Hebrew text that reads:
Deu 6:13 Thou shalt fear YAHWEH thy Elohim, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name. Deu 6:14 Ye shall not go after other elohim, of the elohim of the people which are round about you;
You should know that several words end up being translated to “God” and it varies according to version but generally they include Eloah, Elohim, El, adonai (lord) sometimes, Baal (lord or master) and even the set part name of YHWH.
This might help you to understand how confusion reigns in the English scriptures. I would strongly recommend you read when you have time:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua/web/removing-the-name-of-yhwh
I hope this made sense to you. This link should probably be considered part two of this discussion.
Shalom,
And now here is my secret, a very simple secret; it is only with the heart that one can see rightly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea.
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Comments (3)
  written by Lenvdb, 19 October, 2009
When I speak of God I speak of The One God who is contained by the 10 emanations of God in the Tree of Life - as encompassed by the Hebrew Name YHVH.
Actually - I tend to think Freemasonry is most probable closer to the Truth about God than Mainstream Christianity. In Freemasonry they work with the Tree of Life much more, and have nothing to do with the religion created by Constantine and his councils who follow Paul. written by guardian Snow, 19 October, 2009
"GOD" is a source of confusion being a COMMON and generic title that is not to be applied to YAHWEH.
Mat 6:9 “This, then, is the way you should pray: ‘Our Father who is in the heavens, let Your Name be set-apart, The Messiah was clear that we should set apart his name on our hearts. While I do not debate over the exact usage, whether Jehovah, Y'hveh or some of the other close variations... what should be important to the faithful is that the name is UNIQUE to you. I respect that not all people will agree with this but "G-d" is a name of Baal according to Hebrew Scriptures and should be removed from the tongue of those who seek to restore and speak with clarity to those who are lost in false religions, which as most of you know... is the majority of the world worshiping "LORD" (Baal) "GOD"... a title that is applied to Moses, Abraham, Yehoshua and even a city and means only "Mighty", in the Hebrew there no word for deity. I tend to agree with the opinion of the first person that posted but Apostle Paul IS LUCIFER. Consider the congregation he came out of: Act 6:9 But some of those of the so-called Congregation of the Freedmen (Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and those from Kilikia and Asia), rose up, disputing with Stephanos, Act 21:16 And also some of the taught ones from Caesarea went with us and brought with them one, Mnason of Cyprus, an early taught one, with whom we were to **lodge. ** Did you ever think it was strange Freemasonry has the order of Malkitseddeq as one of it's levels? Write comment
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The meaning of a word is contained in its definition. If I use the word "God" and envisage YHWH, then I effectively mean YHWH. For me the two terms are synonymous. Others may use it to mean a deity from their own religion, but that does not invalidate my use of the word.
As for Freemasonry, the large "G" in the temples stands for the "Great Architect Of The Universe" or GAOTU. It has nothing at all to do with God, and the attributes of YHWH are not praised or even mentioned in that religion. If Freemasonry gives credence to any deity, more often than not it is Lucifer.
The whole 'name' thing can easily become an idol if we are not careful.