“The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human.”
Aldous Huxley
What if, we lived in an alternate reality where homosexual marriage was the excepted norm of society?
I would naturally rally for marriage to be defined between a man and a woman and this alternate society would tell me that I have no right to impose my beliefs upon them… The same is true in reverse! In an alternate reality, the homosexuals would complain that I am attempting to impose my moral values on them, which is exactly what they are doing to the rest of the world.
From my perspective, homosexuality is not natural and is undesirable behavior. Several U.S. states in the last election passes laws that say Marriage is to be defined as between a man and a woman. My Christian brothers have rightly taken a hard line on the issue.
It is unfortunate that one must take the hard line on this issue but past experience has taught us that if we give an inch, they will take a mile. A clear example is set by Canada where the portions of the Bible speaking about Homosexuality are considered, “Hate Speech” and it is now considered socially wrong to put these passages in a public forum.
If we say it is alright for homosexual Marriage, where can we draw a moral line in the sand? Aren’t age of consent laws just another moral standard? Should we now allow adults to have sex with babies and children because some people believe society has wrongly imposed its moral standards on other people? Some consider this just another “religious dogma” that should be abolished.
http://www.nambla.org/
NAMBLA is one such organization that tells us just that! They say it’s wrong to “persecute man/boy love”.
Sex is your choice, whether or not you have it and with whom you have it with, nobody forces you to have sex legally.
The arguments put forward by the gay lobby is that Homosexuals deserve to have the same rights as people who are straight and that by denial of the “right of marriage” to them announces them as “second class citizens”. The fact is they have the same rights already under any law and so the reality is that they want to have their choice legally enshrined as a social value. They want special “civil rights” and usually say that being gay is not a choice and compare it to skin color as if somebody holds a gun to their head to make them have same sex partners.
The reason one MUST take a hard line is because once we forever go down that road of “relative moral values”, you can’t turn back. It’s already controversial to speak on the homosexual issues in congregations and heaven forbid we speak about the high decease rate of AIDS and sexually transmitted viruses flourish among those that have sex outside of a single partner.
By making it clear that I oppose homosexual marriage, I’m certain to be labeled by those who disagree with me with terms such as, “Nazi, Homophobic, Right Wing Zealot” or any of the other labels they can apply to me that give off a negative connotation.
To disagree with them does not mean I hate or fear homosexuality. I happen to have a few friends that are homosexual and my feelings are well known to them. I neither hate nor fear anything about them, I just have no desire to share their values or lack of. I find it interesting that this same standard is used by all people.
[Barry]
> I respect you as a person but I can never respect your beliefs.
[Snow]
But to respect me as a person is to respect my beliefs just as I should respect what you believe and we should agree to disagree. You are entitled to your beliefs and I am entitled to mine and neither of us should assume we have the right to impose our beliefs on the other. Would you agree?
I do not hate something just because I disagree with it. Do you hate me just because you disagree with me?
People have the right to hold different opinions without being labeled but already society has started the dumbing down process.
“Alternative Lifestyle or Queers”
“Same Sex Marriage or a perversion and abomination”
Parents should have the right to teach their children their social values, right or wrong. A free society must choose to respect individual rights but is it the right of people to impose values on a minority? Yes or else we must now allow anarchy to be the law of the land and these relative morals to overtake the world. Even murderers believe in their own mind that they have good reasons for committing the acts they do… It is our social duty to impose moral standards and then stand by them and defend them and to do less is to give up our very soul.
Christians are not without blame in the permissive society that engulfs them and in fact while giving the false appearance of opposition, has nurtured and fostered the homosexual culture by its lawless doctrine and zero accountability value system.
You can’t expect to teach, “Christ is our righteousness” which in effect transfers individual responsibility and blame on the Messiah and expect righteous fruits.
You can’t impose only the moral laws that don’t apply to you on other people. Expect people to know you are all hypocrites. You can’t say, “Gays are going to Hell but we aren’t for being adulterers.”
You can’t teach:
Rom 10:4 For the Messiah is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
And then expect to assert your moral laws. Is it a wonder that so many homosexuals seek to become and are Christian ministers? It’s the perfect religion for the Gay Community and all they have to do is ignore a few small passages of scriptures just like any “good Christian” does.
Why does the Christian religion teach AGAINST righteous behavior? How can they teach you “No one is righteous” and expect righteous fruits?
Christianity is the poison pill that promotes, nurtures and preaches that “God forgives all your sins”, so why should I ever stop sinning? I have no need to.. as long as I believe in Jesus Christ, I can behave like a demon selling porn to babies and the most evil media that promotes murder and promiscuity and as long as I believe, I am saved by Jesus Christ, I can sleep with the alter boys, rape my neighbors baby, sell death on the internet and Jesus Christ will forgive me.
Being Christian means that I get to blame all of society’s woes on the Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist or Jew (or anybody not Christian) and never examine my own behavior. I can blame all the fags for the destruction of western culture six days a week and tell them on Sunday when they make their donation to my church, “God forgives them”.
Believing the Christian dogma means I get to call anybody else “antichrist” and judge them if they don’t agree with me without any blame resting on my own shoulders because “Jesus is my righteousness”.
I am now free to impose moral authority on anybody else and condemn them to hell because Jesus made me the judge of all mankind.
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
Well, I’m not your judge but you can take your Christian dogma and get stuffed! If your deity doesn’t condemn you for not keeping the Sabbath, he’s not condemning fags either, so bend over and take it like a man. You can’t teach the Torah is abolished and then quote:
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
You can’t teach the “end of law” and expect people to subscribe to Rom 1:27 And then teach men that your deity forgives you for all your sins just by believing it to be so. It’s no wonder Jeffrey Dalmer the cannibal murderer was a Christian! It’s also no wonder the Catholics and Anglicans have homosexual ministers (but not woman)!
Americans should not hate the homosexuals because it is their beliefs that have fostered them and nurtured them into the “community” that they are. Hating homosexuals and violence against these people that have been created by your own creation is evidence that you hate yourselves and your own religion that has allowed this belief of the “forbidden fruit” to flourish, is it a wonder that the United States number one export to the world is pornography and violence?
Simply picking and choosing which moral code you want to uphold and then telling everybody that Christ forgives you when you do is the invitation to eat and swallow death. As you examine the political landscape of division in America, it saddens me that the vast majority, only seek to be the right in judging others rather than judging themselves first.
The next time you decry homosexual marriage, remember it was your religion and your teachings that fostered it. You did it not because you followed Jesus but because you followed apostle Paul and YOU preached against the law of the Torah!
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Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
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written by messianic, 01 October, 2009
Some of the strongest anti-God rhetoric comes out of the homosexual lobby. Ok, let's take their majority position for a moment, that God doesn't exist and that they are the product of Darwinian evolution.
According to Darwin, if you have two variations of a species, the stronger one will dominate and eventually wipe out the weaker version.
Therefore let the homosexuals marry each other and have children! If their offspring are stronger than those of heterosexual unions, then they will have proven their point and we'd better revise our idea of marriage. Only one condition - don't let them take the children of heterosexual unions, and pretend that they have begotten them by themselves.
This whole homosexual thing is a huge con, driven by the filth and perversion pushed by the media. However this softening up of the public should not be too surprising, because Scripture says that the Antichrist "will not regard women". Does this mean he will be a homosexual? What better demonstration of 'tolerance' by a wicked world, than to make such a person a world leader?
If homosexual marriage is bad, what about the innocent children who are already being given to same-sex couples, to try and legitimize their perverted lifestyle choice? Who will come to the rescue of the little boys in that predicament, when their sex-obsessed carers decide it's time to initiate them into a life of perversion? How many of those boys will even reach the age of 25, without dying from AIDS? May YHWH not delay His righteous judgement of this evil generation!
written by guardian Snow, 02 October, 2009
Exo 15:26 And He said, “If you diligently obey the voice of Yahweh your Elohim and do what is right in His eyes, and shall listen to His commands and shall guard all His laws, I shall bring on you none of the diseases I brought on the Mitsrites, for I am Yahweh who heals you.”
It does no good to simply tell the homosexual that his behavior is bad, one might as well kill a flue victim for being sick with that logic. In order to truly cure the problem, one must identify the virus causing the problem.
If I introduce a virus into your body and the body tells the virus, it’s all right to grow and fester but your bad, how can I blame the virus for making you sick?
Rev 9:18 A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues, by the fire and the smoke and the sulphur **which came out of their mouths.**
Note where the plague comes from.
The Christian church is that sick body that has a double minded dogma. One the one hand they preach to the congregation that “God forgives ALL your sins, the Torah is dead:
Rom 10:4 For the Messiah is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
If there is no law that says to destroy the virus, the body grows sick and dies. How simple is that to understand? Is the body evil for destroying the virus? Society has all the symptoms of eating bad fruit and still clings to lawlessness.
In order to heal the body, one must destroy every last vestige of anti-Torah teachings, otherwise it will return in another form, mutate and grow even worse. This is the reality of the coming kingdom, so be ready for it.
Destroy the virus that caused the illness and the symptoms go away.
Mat 7:20 “So then, by their fruits you shall know them –
Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens.
Mat 7:22 “Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’
Mat 7:23 “And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!’1 Footnote: 1 See v. 15.
Mat 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock,
Mat 7:25 and the rain came down, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
Do the will of the Father and build your house on the Rock of his Torah, then you will be healed.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
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written by guardian Snow, 10 October, 2009
Luk 16:31 “But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Mosheh and the prophets, neither would they be persuaded even if one should rise from the dead.’ ”
The Messiah directs us to believe Moses and the prophets and with this the teaching that homosexuality is transgression of the Torah of Moses.
It is the Fundementalists and Paul-followers of the Jezebellic institution that propagate homophobia. Homophobia is rooted in 2 things: Fear and hate.
God has not given us a spirit of fear but of Love, Power and a Sound mind.
Some people are born gay. Get over it.
Some animals are born gay too. Get over it! Like Penguins, Ducks etc. The Jezebellic argument ony serves to divide further. And division is not of God.
Considering that I do not believe Jesus the Christ died for my sins, I do not need his forgiveness. I follow His teachings. If Jesus did indeed raise John Lazarus (who was gay) from the dead, and healed the Roman Centurion's gay partner (and not servant) then I see a God of Love and not hate.
I do not believe that YHVH is a God of hate. Those who hate belong to their father.