I'm curious what y'all think about miracles and God working miraculously today

- it seems that you're sorta ditchin' Paul cuz he seems pretty fishy, and he talked a lot about spiritual gifts 'n' such -

but are you still into doing "greater things than these?"

I've been named Paul, forced to go to a boring church every Sunday of my life, and I always believed that it'd be best for everyone to believe in God and go to heaven. I created a business model for the salvation of the earth (spread of the gospel, etc) and really trusted in money.

Regardless, God ended up setting my free and flipping my world around. He still speaks to us, He still loves us, He still does miracles with us.
Now I think that it'd be possible to reach the every person by Loving God and Loving people.

When you're obeying God, He does miracles. In the OT, the NT, and Now. I'm pretty sure that Jesus was right - if this generation doesn't see signs and wonders, they won't believe.

So, do y'all believe that following God and asking for miracles is the way to win?

What's your gameplan? How do you expect to win?

Hi Seeker-

First, I don't consider this to be a "game," but I understand what you mean.

Now, let me say that depending on what one means by a miracle, I do feel that they happen all the time in little ways, but on an individual level a little thing can be monumental. Like stumbling on a spiritual gem that we hadn't noticed before. A casual remark by a person on another forum woke me up to the problems with Paul. That changed my entire outlook on the _script_ures. Of course Paul is only one problem with the religions of Christendom.

Another problem the churches have is the incorporation of Babylonish doctrines. Revelation tells us to get out of Babylon the Great or we will share in her plagues. So, we need to remove all the Babylonish doctrines and practises from our form of worship. That is one reason she is called a harlot. Another reason is that she has formed alliances (committed prostitution) with the nations, just as Israel did with Egypt and some of the other nations round about instead of trusting in YHWH.

As we approach the time of the end, the _script_ures indicate that we should see great miracles, especially with regard to the two witnesses of Revelation. And there will be phenomena that will fulfill the _script_ures that will no doubt be seen as miraculous.

John 4:23 tells us that God is looking for those that want to worship Him in spirit and truth. Speaking of the end times Malachi writes: (Mal. 3:16,17) "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon His name. 17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in the day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as man spareth his own son that serveth him." Searching for the truth at this time is paramount.

As prophesy after prophesy indicates, YHWH will chastise all those claiming to be His people who are not actually listening to the Son, saving only a remnant. As a result a great multitude will come out from all the nations and turn to YHWH and His Son. In a nutshell, that is what I perceive as the gameplan.

Molly

So, do you feel that we're supposed to pursue the gift of miracles - as Paul talked about - so as to destroy the works of the devil, or should we give them little thought, and wait for God to instigate 'em.

seeker wrote:
...I always believed that it'd be best for everyone to believe in God and go to heaven. I created a business model for the salvation of the earth (spread of the gospel, etc) and really trusted in money.

Regardless, God ended up setting my free and flipping my world around.
Nearly a decade ago, a friend and I set up a couple of businesses to help fund God's work. About all they did was cost us a small fortune. We learned that God does use man's 'business models' _base_d on enterprise and profit, but supplies people's needs in ways which are much more direct.

When you're obeying God, He does miracles. In the OT, the NT, and Now.
Exactly! Miracles and blessings were repeatedly promised in the law (e.g. Deut 28:1-14). Providing we do what He asks, we cannot help but experience them in our own life.

I'm pretty sure that Jesus was right - if this generation doesn't see signs and wonders, they won't believe.
If the Gentile church stopped thumbing her nose at God with her false 'sabbath' and other pagan practices, and also gave more thought to the salvation and wellbeing of the Jewish people, the miracles she seeks would be routine.

So, do y'all believe that following God and asking for miracles is the way to win?
Far too much is made of signs and wonders. History is full of examples of sorcery performed by idolaters, from the magicians in Pharaoh's court to the fire-walkers of today. Unfortunately the church is not immune, judged by some of the antics in her midst. When you look closely at Paul, even some of what he did seems little different from sorcery. As believers we need to distinguish between what is from God, and what is from the devil. It is not always easy.

What's your gameplan? How do you expect to win?
By cleaning up our own act, doing what Yeshua said to do, and obeying the commandments. Miracles are bound to follow.

Hi Seeker-

What exactly do you regard as a miracle? And, I am not sure what you mean by "pursuing the gift of miracles."

I think that miracles happen all the time. They just aren't as dramatic as when Yahshua cured the blind or cast out demons; nevertheless, they are significant to the recipient. Someone else might try to explain it away as just coincidence, but you know that it was more than that because it was just the perfect response to the situation.

As Shaun said, if we are doing what God requires of us, then there is every reason to believe that we will experience miracles and blessings in our life.

Molly

Hi there Seeker:

Google a man named Franklin Hall.

Back in the 40's he was 'used' to head up a move of intense fasting and prayer. These people gathered together at various times and fasted on average 40 days. Many miracles were performed thru these folks.
Even things like eyesight through empty sockets. One man I remember was caught in room aboard ship. A fire broke out and he was trapped. Reports say the temp in that room was about 1200 degrees Fahrenheit. He walked out unscathed 30 minutes later. A lot of powerhouse things happened back then. But these folks like I say fasted and prayed, some 28 days, some 40 days.

They had this idea, quite a novel approach at the time. They just followed Yahshua's example. They did what He did.
For me I don't think it is so much just doing miracles as it is compassion for those who suffer. But I say this in regards to one's motive for asking for power.

A lengthy fast is not impossible, but it is so much easier with a group that is committed to endure.

If you check the Gospels, you will find that Yahshua performed no miracles before the fast but a truckload afterward.

Just as a note: It takes about 3-4 days before the hunger craves just fade away, then there is a period of weakness, but this is due to the toxins that have built up in our system. Many have found, myself included that after about 10 days-fourteen days you will actually be more energized than when you were eating. The light headedness rapidly fades away.
Also and this is very important, after the hunger goes away you will find that your spiritual appetite will increase dramatically. As you can well understand there are certain battles to be fought along the way, nevertheless if you endure and stay in prayer, you will obtain whatever victory you need, and then some.
Anyway Seeker, if this is what you want, here is a way to obtain it, many others have gone the same route.
Fasting was 'huge' in former days, but now it is almost a forgotten and shunned spiritual discipline.

But it does have it's rewards when done properly.

Michael