Jesus first went to the people of Israel with his teachings. Matt 10:5-6, Matt 15:24

Go nowhere among the Gentiles
go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel
I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

But something changed after these words were spoken, because so few people responded in a positive manner.

Matt 21:43, "Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits."

Luke 12:32, "Fear not little flock for it is the Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."

Don't all of us want to be a member of this little flock?
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As for applying the Great Principle in my life, yes I do know what it means. It is not easy. I almost passed a little more than a year ago. If I had not sought medical treatment-adios.

Did I fail?? I know now, that I did not know enough of the truth back then. Next time, I hope to succeed.

Hi All

JJ you said
But something changed after these words were spoken, because so few people responded in a positive manner.

It appears from first glance that nearly all Israel rejected the message. And in the physical nation, there's a lot of merit to that observation. But most of the House of Israel was not living in the 'Land' at that time.

Ephraim/Israel had been scattered among the gentiles/nations and as such were living all over the middle east and in the north. Specifically the British Isles, there was a tribe in Spain, but most of Israel was made up of the ancient nations or rather empires of Parthia and Scythia.

So when the Apostles left Judea this is where they went. For example it is well known that Thomas was sent to India, James the brother of John was sent to Spain. Shortly after the second century AD there was a mass migration into Europe from Parthia and Scythia and many of the European peoples are in fact of the ancient House of Israel.

I say this because the Apostles did not stray from what Yahshua said, i know you did not imply this, but just the same, it's important to know these things in order to see that they carried out their missions to the T.

Anyway what you had said about the 'Book of Revelation'
I do agree that there is merit in what was in the article that you mentioned and that point has bugged a lot of people.

I expect that here in would lie the debate if there was one, did 'shortly have only to do with the message to the 7 Churches or did it have to do with the whole thing?

I find it particularly interesting that the NWO has been using the Rev scenario to implement their various agendas for world domination. Their plan is to eliminate 90% of the world pop. They have been operating according to _script_.

But what I find even more interesting is that Christian have their end time scenario where 90% of the world's population perishes in these days with the Christians inheriting what's left over and also being the rulers of the planet.
The Jews also have a very similar scenario, except they are operating out of Eze 38-39 with the end result being the same except now they are the rulers of the planet and everyone is their slave.
And of course the NWO has their scenario made of both Rev and Eze 38-39.
In all three 90% of the world's pop is eliminated and the controlling group is now ruling the planet.

This is probably best discussed on another thread. But it was brought up, the veracity of Revelation.

Michael

followjj wrote:
Revelation is not Jesus words. If you go to the Homepage of the website. On the left side, about 4 items down...
It's probably around here that the JWO website lost me, when I visited it some time ago. Initially I thought that its premise was good, but found it irritating that the writer used it as an excuse to constantly dismiss the prophets. It seemed to me that he was so committed to rejecting Paul, that he went from one extreme to the other, to create a theology which is a kind of mirror image to hyper-Paulinism. This is much too restrictive for my liking, due to it's rejection of those prophets who provide the foundation for the teachings of Yeshua.

As for Revelation, it's ingenuous to reject it, because it does contain the words of Yeshua. It also presents some very important prophecies about things that are unfolding before our eyes, encourages us to remain steadfast, talks about the coming of the Messiah and the age to come, speaks about the final judgement and the arrival of perfection, and so on.

Moreover as an affront to Paul, it says nothing about grace and everything about the commandments and good works. No wonder there's been such a strong push over the years to discredit it.

Of course Yeshua spoke wonderful things, which on their own provide an excellent basis for living. But as Molly said, his words possess additional _layer_s of meaning, which for those who bother to dig deeper, are just as edifying as the plain literal meaning.

Remember that "it is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but the glory of kings is to search out a matter" (Prov 25:2); "Get wisdom! Get understanding!" (Prov 4:5); and "fools die for lack of wisdom" (Prov 10:21).

To understand why Yeshua said what He did does not detract from His message; it only enhances it.

Shaun

Mishayah wrote:
Hi All

JJ you said
But something changed after these words were spoken, because so few people responded in a positive manner.

It appears from first glance that nearly all Israel rejected the message. And in the physical nation, there's a lot of merit to that observation. But most of the House of Israel was not living in the 'Land' at that time.

I say this because the Apostles did not stray from what Yahshua said, i know you did not imply this, but just the same, it's important to know these things in order to see that they carried out their missions to the T.

Michael

I've read similar stories from a Jew who believed Paul's lies. I won't guess about the 10 lost tribes.

Most people would have trouble tracing their ancestors back more than a few hundred years.

Jesus said after the resurrection, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations." Matt 28:19 Although we both know that part of that sentence in v19 which I left out has been corrupted.

Jesus claimed he had all authority. This sounds like he is at the top of the heap, the King. Then he gave them a new command. I know you don't agree about the kingdom coming already.

If the kingdom had already arrived, then Jesus could and did expand the commission to go the rest of the world.

Jesus had already in John 4, preached to Samaritans. He revealed he was the Messiah. He stayed 2 days. There are other examples, too.

I don't want to get in deep with Revel. The essay on my favorite site skips some important items.

There is no marriage in heaven. Matt 22:29-30,
Mark 12:25 "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven."

Rev 19:7, "Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride made herself ready."

As a man myself, I do not want to be married to another man. Why would Jesus want to be married to thousands or even millions of men and women?

Hi jj,

The marriage of the Bride will occur before the resurrection at the end of the age. It's how Revelation is written, and also fits Yeshua's prophecy.

Marriage is defined as 'two becoming one flesh'. In the garden of Eden, there was no sexual connotation until the serpent suggested it, causing Adam and Eve to cover their private parts with leaves.

The principle of 'two becoming one flesh' is the key to understanding Elohim, as being many identities combined into the One.

As for our ancestry, there's no need to trace it right back, which is impossible anyway. When the Assyrians invaded the Northern Kingdom about 2700 years ago, they scattered the people all over the place. As Michael said, many of them wound up in Europe and other places, from whom came Britain, the USA, Australia, and so on. Therefore many (or most) Gentiles have descended from Israel, and don't even know it! This has dramatic spiritual implications.

Shaun

Sheesh jj-

Well, we do know that there is a marriage between the Lamb and his bride, or at least there is to be a relationship that is comparable to a marriage with a "oneness" of purpose that is like that of a marriage. Whether it is in heaven or not, I'm not sure(Rev 21:1-4; "New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven"). There is in my mind the possibility that it may be here on the earth.

After all, there is a great misconception about who and how many go to heaven. Ask any Christian and they will tell you that they are going to heaven, but in the Old Testament there is no suggestion of anyone going to heaven. The hope was a resurrection to live here on the earth forever (Psalms 37:11, 29). So, Matthew 22:29-30 and Mark 12:25 are talking to people that expect to be resurrected right here on the earth. In other words, there is to be no marriage for the resurrected here on the earth. For the minority that are destined for marriage to the Lamb, it is a different story.

Molly